Double-classing

[Cain Ellatar]

What do you people think of the idea of double-classing? What is I mean is for example: if you are, say, an Avaren watchman, you also are starting off as Militia and working your way along the skill tree in exactly the same fashion as any other person would.

[Tim]

I think it's a perfectly acceptable concept o.o


The only problem would be the power; would the person have the skills of a Watchman already, but have to deal with climbing up the ladder all the while being yelled at for having powers he isn't supposed to? xD I think you might want to consider going the other way, as in people who want to be a watchman can just work up to, say, level three, and then take up a job as a watchman or something, or even at a higher level.

Also.. What if a warrior were to get into Aesir or something peacefully, and attempt to just live there normally? Would they be allowed to keep their warrior rank, but also start from scratch at the bottom of the mage skill tree? That always bugged me and made me want to ask, but oh well.

Another question I had that's.. semi-related to this topic: If you got to the top of the skill tree, would you be able to keep your status but start working towards attaining another high rank in a different branch? I know that's a lot of work, but I'm curious.

But.. yeah. I'll stop changing the subject. ><;

But you called it 'double-classing', so you might be having that last idea in mind as well.. o.o

Oh well. We'll find out, I guess.

[Tsuzuki Sanada]

I think it's a great idea. After all Leveling up is still important no matter who you are and with the double-class idea you can be the satus you want and still be leveling up

[David Augustine]

Well, I kinda mentioned the double-classing before. Though it didn't necessarily touch on the watchmen and other unique classes. Though I think it should be allowed. I mean why not have a warrioress to run a bar. It could work both ways in whatever order is chosen. If you want to start off as a watchmen and then build yourself up, you'd have the position, but you would still be a rookie or something like that. If you built your level up first and then asked for the position, you would be more of a professional at it.

But not everyone wants to be a watchmen or a priest. Some people wouldn't mind double-classing and attempt getting two branches out of the skill tree instead of just one. Or even hybrid warrior/mages. Though I think you shouldn't do a dual class like that until you have at least past your test and are at level 4. And then if do chose to dual class as such that you should have another few levels so people can progress through the classes either way that they want. Like say they are already at level 6 for the spearman and they wanted to learn some archery skills, so they would start at the lowest level of where the archer branch begins (at level 3 not 1 or 2 unless they were doing the warrior/mage). They would have to level up again and can choose either to attempt to test to reach level 4 for the archer or they could finish off and become the dragoon.

[Alezand Jozlyn, Allaine knight]

I like it, David, because then you can better facilitate mages who want combat skills, and warriors who want to learn to heal and so on.

[Akai Honmura]

I think it is a good idea, because I wanted to have my char be waitress/mage (Færys = waitress/mage, not Akai. I just happen to be logged in as Akai, is all...)

[Alezand Jozlyn, Allaine knight]

And I want to be a warrior/ medic (healing powers) and Tyanno wound like to be a arcane archer, referring to the type of double skill classing that David mentioned...

[Verdan]

Ok, here's my say: I believe that Cain's idea is a very good one. However, the ideas of some of the others are not.

For example, as it is in Cain's idea, a bartender/spearman is a perfectly plausible idea which I support with everything I have, even though it is very slightly flawed, as someone mentioned above. A watchman/spearman would be either under-powering the watchman or overpowering the spearman. Thus, that combination should be an exception.

However, the mage/warrior classes I am completely against. It would be way too much overpowering if that were the case. For example Alezand is a warrior. If he were to get in a fight and get injured, then he could just heal himself if he was a double-class. That would be extremely cheap and extremely stupid. If he were only a warrior, then it would be fair because he could not heal himself. If he were only a healer, it would also be fair, for he would be helpless. (Nothing personal)

[David Augustine]

Verdan, in response to what you have said about the overpowering is that there won't be any. People would have to pass their tests to even begin dual classing with the warrior/mage format. Not to mention that if they were to do that, they wouldn't be able to achieve the mastery level of their second class. For example, if a paladin decided to go with some healing magic, he wouldn't be able to reach the level 7 of that branch, unless special permissions were granted to them from Cain.

[Verdan]

But nevertheless, someone who has dual classes is more powerful than someone with one class. No matter what. For example, if my character was a Partisan Chief like yourself and a Scholar at the same time, he would undoubtedly pwn your character. No matter what.

Think of it this way. What's more powerful a Level 7 Swordsman/Level 3 Healer or merely a Level 7 Swordsman? Obviously it's the former.

[Muryllis]

Pally bubble+hearth FTW!!


I have mixed feelings about double-classing; while 'hybrid classes' are available in many games and RPs, one must remember that a hybrid can never have the same power in any part of his.. hybridness.. as the original 'base class'. Perhaps we could allow for expansion into other branches - or class trees - after attaining maximum level in one's original tree.. still debatable, imo.

But that's what the Outlanders are for...

[Tori Shiroishi]

Yes, I agree with this. If you so choose to start both skill trees, you cannot reach the top in either tree. This is the general idea that seems to be put forth. Does anyone disagree with this idea? That seems the most logical, and one should have the same difficulty in getting that one class of the other skill tree, as going into the next level of their current skill tree. Perhaps it should be done as follows:

The hybrid classes should be made such that your total level between the two may not exceed seven. Each level you go up, you may add a level of either class, Mage or Warrior. When the total of your levels would equal four, you are tested to see if you qualify to become level four. If not qualified, you remain at levels with a total of three. This is a fairly straightforward method of leveling. What does everyone think of it? If you don't understand, I can give an example of what I mean, because I am not confident in my ability to explain my ideas perfectly without an example.

And I agree with Muryllis. That IS what outlanders are for...

[Mira Nightingale]

My opinion, after skimming everything else...

Double-classing should be allowed, but only once a person reaches the highest level possible (aka 1000 posts, level 7). Being a warrior/mage or mage/warrior hybrid, though, should not be allowed. The system already set up would be pointless, and choosing a specific class in the beginning would end up meaning nothing at the end.

[David Augustine]

Actually, with my point with the hybrid class, more levels would be added and 7 would no longer be the highest. It would actually push it to 13 or 14. Making something for others to push towards. Now, i realize that hybrids will have advantages over the nonhybrids. However, they will also have weaknesses as well. A level 6 warrior with a level 1 mage is not necessarily stronger than a regular level 6 warrior. The mage portion would be completely weak and the difference would be hardly unnoticable. However, a level 7 warrior with a level 3 mage would be a completely different story.

[Mira Nightingale]

Ooooo... more levels? I like this idea even more.
What other levels could be added, though?