About classes and skill tree.

[Cain Ellatar]

Honest opinion, if changes need to be made, they will be made.

[Reno]

But i have a question about the PM you sent out.
do we just PM you when we are ready for level four test?
say, for instance, a character is in the middle of a test, but the tester for some reason decided to stop responding and therefore halt the process. would that person, whom is way over the requirement for level four by now, simply PM you?
Yeah... there was just some general confusion about that PM...

[Mira Nightingale]

Send him a PM with the link to five threads you're in, and then he'll decide if you pass to teh next level or not.

As for my vote, I voted for the "could use some changes" one. I think people should be able to start a new skill on the tree once they reach seven, and have to follow the usual post-ups for that skill as well. But, I DO NOT think warriors should be able to be mages, or vice versa. I do, think, however, that mages need more options. They're all kind of... dry.

[Shadow]

Thanks for the clarification mira.
And i agree with mira... for the most part.
But i say that there should be grounds for a warrior to have a small magical ability, like dragoons for instance, they pretty much need magic to augment their fighting abilities.

and assasins, who use "shadow magic" or stuff like teleportation through small puffs of smoke, invivsibility, and the like...Ya know what I mean?

[Verdan]

Hold on....

So you no longer need to pass the test? You can just PM Cain? With the five threads?

And as for the skill tree, it works fine. I like it. However, I agree with Mira bout being able to keep going after reaching level 7. And about mages not being allowed to be warriors and vice versa thing too.

[DEMIGODDESS]

Cain, put the private message as an announcment...*sigh*

Anyway, I do feel the skill tree is limiting, now however, before I get into it, the change may be too much. Maybe it will drive away more members, too much getting used to, people misunderstanding a new method/abusing it more than the current.
What bothers me about the skill tree is the lack ov creativity an individual can have. For example, my character, she is going to end up as a necromancer, why must she be categorized to the closest thing "summoner?" To be a summoner you must be a druid, she will never become that, making it an irrelevant title and level.
When I first joined the forum I had asked if I could take the word "summoner" out ov it's direct meaning and allow my character as a necromancer (because then I would not be able to use her here if that were the case), my answer was yes. Again, the tree is limiting, unfair in a way we can say, even, and I have to say people get confused with it, or so I seem to notice.

The problem may be that people will abuse an open ended skill tree, though those people do abuse the current.

I was thinking more ov making a tree a guideline, examples ov things to aspire to, with each level asking Cain to replace the title shown. That may be quite annoying on his part however, and could get nasty.

Warriors and mages, heh. Now, mages are the ones with natural talent to perform supernatural happenings, yes? Why can someone who becomes a warrior be born with the ability to use magic? He or she should have the right to that gift, however the restriction, because it could be said that he; the possible warrior in question did not develop the ability to use them, only with a near death battle, he may throw a tiny fireball with the adrenaline and mind at it's most erratic state.

Apologies if this was difficult to understand, I tried to lessen it so there wouldn't be much to have to read. If anyone has questions with any part I put down, I'll be glad to answer.

[Verdan]

Nevertheless, warrior/mage "hybrids" would be much too overpowered.

[DEMIGODDESS]

Ovcourse, that's why I said they can have a little sort ov something for character plot and development, but they can't just throw out fireballs and burn peoples faces off like a mage could, heh.

[Verdan]

I still consider that overpowerment.

tylmnkv said:

So you no longer need to pass the test? You can just PM Cain? With the five threads?

No one answered my question.....

[DEMIGODDESS]

It can't be overpowering if there is no "force" or "strength" behind it. It will never be fair either to say someone can not be born with supernatural ability and just does not or can not use it.

*sigh*I have not the slightest idea what isn't to understand.

Like the link in the PM said, this is all you have to do at level four, this is it.

When requesting a level four position, provide the links to at least five in character threads of decent length that you feel express your best skills in role-playing.

Cain will then read them and judge them, seeing if you are ready to become level five and continue on. That is it, that is all you have to do. Does it say you need to pass an in character test with an instructor? No. Are instructors still listed at the welcome menu? no.

Stay on topic now, please. If you still don't understand, PM Cain.

[Verdan]

........

Way to be nice and polite about it

[Muryllis]

I fail to see how she was rude.


As for a warrior being born with a natural ability, I would personally allow it... if said warrior explained, in detail, the extent of their 'natural ability,' was ok with the fact that they are unable to train it (given the current skill tree system), and the admins agreed with it. As it stands, a warrior is a warrior, and a mage is a mage. A warrior can/should not use magic, and a mage can/should not at all be proficient, to any extent, with a weapon other than their mind.

[Cain Ellatar]

Here is what I think.

I don't think characters should be forced to go through the skill tree, instead I would prefer their secondary position to be more open-ended. After all, it then lets them define their characters more accurately.

I also don't think it would be a totally accurate representation of their character, to be constantly changing "class". After all, they generally are what they are; with what really is the thing changing is their personal strength.

With the method of testing in place as is, strength is still defined as to whether or not you have passed the test, yet not having specific levels assures people don't get into fights and use the justification of "Well, I'm level three and you're only level two." to declare that they win right off the bat, as role-playing should be the major decider in a scenario such as this.

I would say that without the skill tree, the main focus would be on gold and customizing your character through use of it.